Halo 2 for PC

What a bunch of fucking bullshit. I've been waiting to play that goddamn game since it was release for the xbox. Now I have to upgrade my fucking OS to play it? Fuck that bullshit.

And no, I'm not going to buy an xbox just to I can play two games.

I wonder what Alyeska will say?

I suppose you could get Vista and partition your HD so that you could boot it up in either Vista or XP.

Meh, its a pretty dated game already. It really didn't do anything that was already done. It had an awesome presentation but nothing else to really make it all that special.

I wonder what Alyeska will say?

No doubt he'll be just as pissed as I am.

I suppose you could get Vista and partition your HD so that you could boot it up in either Vista or XP.

No doubt we'll all be running Vista in a few years. But this move by MS is just irritating.

Ah, looks like the tradition of PC versions of Halo games having utterly silly system requirements is still going. Nice to know. I hope that this one will be actually worth the space it takes to install and the system to run it, because Halo 1 at the time of PC release failed on both counts for me.
I'll be content with Half-Life 2 and Quake IV in the meantime.:p

Ah, looks like the tradition of PC versions of Halo games having utterly silly system requirements is still going. Nice to know. I hope that this one will be actually worth the space it takes to install and the system to run it, because Halo 1 at the time of PC release failed on both counts for me.
I'll be content with Half-Life 2 and Quake IV in the meantime.:p
scratch quake 4 for me. :D

for hell, the only game i have installed currently is HL2 :D :p

It's nice to see MS doing everything it can in its power to kill the Halo games for the pc users. Years after the Xbox release, dated engine, stupidly high requirements, worse gameplay than original...yeah I'll be rushing to buy Halo 2 for my pc.:rolleyes:

Not that I was going to get Halo 2 for the pc anyway(big dissappointment imo). I'm sure Prey, Team Fortress 2, and Unreal Tournament 2007 aren't going to hamstring themselves to help MS push Vista on people.

Team Fortress 2
That games still around? :eek:

I don't fucking believe it. Halo 2 is the product of 2001 technology and they are going to require a new fucking OS to run it? Fuck that. Halo 2 should be able to run in Win98 for fucks sake.

I am not shelling out money to Microsoft just to update my OS to get Halo 2. Gah.

Well now I get to wait even longer.

Vista can suck my balls, i'm not getting it. "It'll require EVEN MORE COMPUTER POWER AND HARD DRIVE SPACE" , shouldn't these bloody OS's be made to require less of my Ram and shit, so i can actually use my computing power to run applications other than windows?

help my eyes just rolled out of their sockets

What a joke. They're going to be competing with UT2007 and Quake Wars.

Vista can suck my balls, i'm not getting it. "It'll require EVEN MORE COMPUTER POWER AND HARD DRIVE SPACE" , shouldn't these bloody OS's be made to require less of my Ram and shit, so i can actually use my computing power to run applications other than windows?
To be fair, there's always cool stuff you can do with better hardware. All OSs already takes up less than 1% of CPU time anyway.

Now it will be interesting to see what makes it into the PC version of the game. I am hoping for coop play, but not expecting it given the neworking problems involved.

If they can't even manage coop after delaying the port for - what, two years? - they deserve all the derision in the universe. It's not like it's never been done before. It's even been modded into at least one game that didn't support it to start with.

I forsee them changing the requirements, I mean fucking come on, how many copies is that going to sell? Especially when UT2007, Quake Wars, Prey, FEAR, Quake 4 all run on last-gen systems quite nicely and are a hell of a lot more fun.

That said, I'll probably pick it up in the distant future when it's dirt cheap and I'm running Vista... really distant future.

help my eyes just rolled out of their sockets

What a joke. They're going to be competing with UT2007 and Quake Wars.


To be fair, there's always cool stuff you can do with better hardware. All OSs already takes up less than 1% of CPU time anyway.

GAH! *Sindais eyes rolls into Bishies eye sockets and then rolls back into Sindais eye sockets*:rolleyes:

How can Bungie even agree to this bs...:mad:

If they can't even manage coop after delaying the port for - what, two years? - they deserve all the derision in the universe. It's not like it's never been done before. It's even been modded into at least one game that didn't support it to start with.

The problem is Bungie never network coded coop in the first place. And network coding the entire singleplayer game is not an easy task. And forget about playing splitscreen coop on the PC.

I forsee them changing the requirements, I mean fucking come on, how many copies is that going to sell? Especially when UT2007, Quake Wars, Prey, FEAR, Quake 4 all run on last-gen systems quite nicely and are a hell of a lot more fun.
Phhh, who needs more effects? Just add more bloom! Bloom makes everything look better.
The problem is Bungie never network coded coop in the first place. And network coding the entire singleplayer game is not an easy task. And forget about playing splitscreen coop on the PC.
No one cares about splitscreen on a PC.

I'm actually not sure what you mean by "network coding the entire SP game." The levels are already designed to work fine in coop, it's just a matter of getting the engine to handle it. If it could be added to Half Life by people who didn't even develop the engine, I'm sure it can be done with Halo.

You don't understand. Playing coop on the PC requires either playing via a Local Area Network, or the Internet. This means that the singleplayer level has to be coded for network play. While the game itself is coded for coop, coop is not coded for network.

No network code for the coop, no coop for the PC version.

Bungies announcement (http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?story=halo2vistaannounce)

You would think they could write something that didn't make them sound like complete tools. :rolleyes:

Vista sounds neat though.

Q: Is the release of Halo 2 for Windows Vista just a way to force consumers to purchase the new operating system?
A: Absolutely not. Bungie Studios and Microsoft's steadfast commitment to quality determined that the Windows Vista platform would provide the best possible version of Halo 2 for the Windows PC. We will provide you with more details in the future.

I think my respect for Bungie just dried up.

When the announcer has a gun to his head while he is lying, don't blame the announcer. Microsoft is holding the gun, blame them.

Certainly, I understand their situation, but it does little to discount the fact that Bungie has completely fallen to the darkside. Prior to that comment, I was holding out hope that they might find an acceptable balance between Microsoft's business ambition and Bungie's creative capacity.

Besides, I'm all blamed out on Microsoft.

You would think they could write something that didn't make them sound like complete tools. :rolleyes:

Vista sounds neat though.

Not when you basiclly needs to buy a new comp to run the crap it dosent...

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People, please. Bungie aren't doing what they are doing because they turned to the "dark side". They are doing what they are doing because they are Microsoft's bitches.:p
And they damn well deserve it, too. After reading this report, I feel a strange urge to strangle the first person I hear use the word "radical". With his spine.

As I said, I'll stay with Half-Life 2 and Quake IV, with HL2: Aftermatch and Quake Wars joining in for the fun, and maybe a bit of FEAR to sweeten the deal. Halo 2 will be old potatoes by the time it is released, unless they update it massively, and doesn't offer enough in terms of content to make up for it.

Well that's Halo 2 off my buying list. I see myself using XP for the next few years at least. Idiots. :rolleyes:

Anyway, this news is good, but its only half way. If they don't release a Special Edition or Limited Edition version for the PC (or in the very least the PC version has everything the LE had on X-Box), I ain't buying it. I'm not going to reward Microsoft for giving the PC players less then the console players.

You don't understand. Playing coop on the PC requires either playing via a Local Area Network, or the Internet.
I know this.
This means that the singleplayer level has to be coded for network play.
I'm not sure what you mean to say here. I think you're misusing the terms "level" and "coded."
While the game itself is coded for coop, coop is not coded for network.

No network code for the coop, no coop for the PC version.
I know all this. My point was that adding network support for coop is unlikely to be an insurmountable task in an engine that already has both networked multiplayer and unnetworked coop. All you really need to add to the engine is a way for synching the NPCs over the network - not that that's a trivial task or anything.

Just because the game has network coding does not mean that the singleplayer aspect of the game is network coded. Your not understanding this. The singleplayer aspect of the game has no coding telling it how to deal with networking. This is a very important issue. This is why Gearbox never got coop working in the first Halo. The network coding is actualy a very big issue and would have taken more time then everything else combined to port the game. Gearbox said that network coding coop for Halo would have doubled the development time to port the game. Halo 2 would have been released before Halo on the PC had coop been networked.

You don't realize that when you build a game, you have to work every aspect together. Adding a new feature after a game has already been finished requires a lot of work. Just adding time compression to the game could make left turns on the Warthog impossible when under attack by more then 3 Ghosts. Its little issues that you have to work out. And network coding would require more then just a small amount of work. They would have to imbed that in the entire singleplayer aspect of the game.

Its one thing to build the game from the ground up and have it network coded. Its another to add nework coding when your on a shoe string budget being told to make a cheap port and not radicaly change the game.

I think I'll wait for the winXP crack/patch. :p

Wait, is Vista the new version of Longhorn, with all the privacy-invading goodness I've heard about?

Attempted privacy crap. Windows has decided to wait for peoples hardware to get old enough they have to buy the new protected hardware so the version after Vista will have the majority of these new saftey systems.

*Shrugs* To tell you the truth, MS can watch me looking at porn all they want. The only thing I'm concerned about is me downloading a program (say, like Terragen or something, a small independent proggy that wouldn't be on their allowed list,) and my hardware flagging that as pirated, so it wouldn't work or it would actually contact MS and have them send their Laywer-ninjas to my dorm room. :p

Edit: Though, I know the above is rather unlikely either way, and that I'd probably win in any court case, but still, I'm allowed to have a few paranoid ramblings! Especially when Bill Gates reveals he's working for the Sectoids and that the X-Box sends subliminal messages into your brains!!1 :p

I have one word for what this will cause:

Yarr!

This is complete BULLS*#(

Rewriting the game to have co-op modes on the PC is task thats pathethicly easy to a company with Bungies resources. It's not terribly hard to do so given that they have the entire Halo 2 code base to work from and have HAD YEARS TO WORK ON IT! Seriously, I've seen third party mods on engines just as complex, if not more complex, then HALOs, with a FRACTION of the resources of Bungie/Microsoft Game Studios, out much faster with co-operative single player!

They didn't have to re-write the frigen game engine or make a new game from the ground up, it's not THAT hard.

Beyond that, the game engine was designed for 2001 technology in the original X-Box. There is no reason what so ever (except X-Box sales of course) that Bungie couldn't have brought the same came out to PC.

But Microsoft had a very clear MO with HALO.

1. Bring them out on the X-Box and push people to buy said console / game.
2. Eventualy release a PC-port which uses up ten times the system resources it should (given that the X-Box hardware is all standard PC technology), making the game impossible to play unless you have a state of the art computer...which can play games that make said Halo port look like complete crap.


Now they are adding:

2(a). Eventualy release a PC-port which probably still will use up ten times the resources it actualy needs to play properly (probably roughly the same time HALO-3 comes out on 360 of course) AND you still have to buy a new X-Box....errr....I mean copy of windows to play it!

This is nothing but a marketing ploy. HALO-2 is nothing special engine wise at all. The idea that you need a whole new OS to play it on is just.....:rage:

this isn't surprising at all.....given the amount of bad press about "vista", and all the underground shittalking about it, i figured they had to find SOME way to push it on people...this would seem to be a rather effective move...

i honestly NEVER saw this one coming, lol

as fucked up as it sounds...this is almost enough to make me wanna pick up an Xbox, as it appears that's the ONLY way i'm playing Halo 2...vista can suck my balls...

EDIT:

what's really sad about this thole thing is bungie's announcement....after reading it, there is no doubt in my mind that they are now COMPLETE tools for MS....it's fucking sad...such a great company, that put out top shit like the marathon games.....it sucks that all it took for them to become rubbish was MS waving a little money at them....

Halo 2 for Xbox runs on Xbox....with it's shit processor, it's dated nVidia adaptor, and it's bastardized version of XP....anyone who knows anything about computers would be able to see that they CAN make it work on current gen systems....they're just doing this to push Vista....

R.I.P. Bungie

Well since this is going to be done by MGS and Bungie is going to be directly helping, we just might get coop this time around.

I don't fucking believe it. Halo 2 is the product of 2001 technology and they are going to require a new fucking OS to run it? Fuck that. Halo 2 should be able to run in Win98 for fucks sake.

IMO, I think that's kind of the point. I think they'd rather you really fanboi out and say "fuck it, the PC version sucks. I'll just get an X-Box."


R.I.P. Bungie


hahahaha, riiiiiight. The PC gaming market is absolutely miniscule compared to the consoel market.

A couple of pissy PC gamers don't outweight the LEGIONS of console gamers......

The funny thing is, you'll bitch about it all you want.........you'll probably end up buying it still.

Ladiesman, don't pour gas on the fire.

Besides, a lot of people I know never bought Halo on the PC. Microsoft is delaying the PC releases long enough that people aren't bothering anymore. Only the actual Halo fans who aren't investing shitloads of money and happen to have the right setup at the right time are bothering to planing to purchase the game.

hahahaha, riiiiiight. The PC gaming market is absolutely miniscule compared to the consoel market.

It's more the principle of the thing, Ladiesman.

The funny thing is, you'll bitch about it all you want.........you'll probably end up buying it still.

Only once it has been patched and/or cracked. And then, I'll probably buy it from the bargain bin.

*The following is a prepared statement*

"Bungie...bite me."

*This has been a prepared statement*

That's retarded. I feel sorry for the people who have been waiting for this to come out of PC. MS basically gave the equivalent of a huge fuck you to any of their Halo PC fans.

That's retarded. I feel sorry for the people who have been waiting for this to come out of PC. MS basically gave the equivalent of a huge fuck you to any of their Halo PC fans.

Nah, they did that with the first Halo PC port, this is more of a final coup de grace.

That is actually kinda sad, that they are doing it this way...

At least I don't feel so bad now having....."aquired" Halo 1 for my pc and mac a few years ago in the ....erherm....way I did.

*Goes back to enjoying the goodness of better games

hahahaha, riiiiiight. The PC gaming market is absolutely miniscule compared to the consoel market.

You obviously misunderstood my comment...

i said R.I.P. because while this most likely won't put bungie out of business, they've probably lost a lot, if not all of their long-term fans... While still an active company bungie isn't the same company that made such great games as the marathon series...it's kinda like how anakin skywalker "died" when he became darth vader....

Bungie, simply isn't Bungie anymore....now they're a sad shell of their former selves, in addition to being complete tools for MS....

THAT is what i meant...

A couple of pissy PC gamers don't outweight the LEGIONS of console gamers......

doesn't matter...it's still sad to see them go this way...

The funny thing is, you'll bitch about it all you want.........you'll probably end up buying it still.

Nope...i won't be buying it...i don't have ANY plans to use vista, therefore, i won't be purchasing the PC version...

as i've said, this bullshit is making me think about picking up an Xbox from the bargain bin...i've been waiting for Halo 2 on PC, and this is just a gigantic kick in the balls...

i'm NOT using fucking vista JUST so i can play a game....an Xbox would be much cheaper, and less of a hassle in the long run.

this also raises an interesting question.....since this move is a very obvious, albeit heavily veiled atempt by MS to push SOMETHING...is it a push to sell more Xboxes, or force conversion to Vista?

Fuck them. Halo sucks anyway.

BYE

You obviously misunderstood my comment...

i said R.I.P. because while this most likely won't put bungie out of business, they've probably lost a lot, if not all of their long-term fans... While still an active company bungie isn't the same company that made such great games as the marathon series...it's kinda like how anakin skywalker "died" when he became darth vader....

Bungie, simply isn't Bungie anymore....now they're a sad shell of their former selves, in addition to being complete tools for MS....

THAT is what i meant...



doesn't matter...it's still sad to see them go this way...



Nope...i won't be buying it...i don't have ANY plans to use vista, therefore, i won't be purchasing the PC version...

as i've said, this bullshit is making me think about picking up an Xbox from the bargain bin...i've been waiting for Halo 2 on PC, and this is just a gigantic kick in the balls...

i'm NOT using fucking vista JUST so i can play a game....an Xbox would be much cheaper, and less of a hassle in the long run.

this also raises an interesting question.....since this move is a very obvious, albeit heavily veiled atempt by MS to push SOMETHING...is it a push to sell more Xboxes, or force conversion to Vista?

probably a little bit of both, ie killing 2 birds with one stone..

You obviously misunderstood my comment...

i said R.I.P. because while this most likely won't put bungie out of business, they've probably lost a lot, if not all of their long-term fans... While still an active company bungie isn't the same company that made such great games as the marathon series...it's kinda like how anakin skywalker "died" when he became darth vader....

Why would console fans care....the vast majority of Bungies fans? They haven't screwed over anyone on X-Box.....


Fuck them. Halo sucks anyway.

BYE


True. Well said. I don't really see the big fuss. PC fans aren't missing much. Go play a far superior game, like HL2 or something. Why even bother with Halo?!

Why would console fans care....the vast majority of Bungies fans? They haven't screwed over anyone on X-Box.....



True. Well said. I don't really see the big fuss. PC fans aren't missing much. Go play a far superior game, like HL2 or something. Why even bother with Halo?!

you're just not getting it...

as to why anyone would bother with halo...well that's simple, becuse they like it.. :rolleyes:

And with that, yet another Halo thread degenerates into a "Halo sucks" fest. Nice one, good work there. People don't say that often enough.

I agree that this is a pretty transparent move by Microbungie, and it's inexcusable. Unless they're adding soem content to the game (doubtful), I can't seen anything in it that requires an operating system that's so new it's not even finished yet.

amen, glenny

I hope those people with dreams of playing Halo2 on WinXP realize it is trivially easy for Microsoft/Bungie to use something like say; DirectX 10 which is not going to be backported to Windows XP and screw any chance of the game working on WinXP

I hope those people with dreams of playing Halo2 on WinXP realize it is trivially easy for Microsoft/Bungie to use something like say; DirectX 10 which is not going to be backported to Windows XP and screw any chance of the game working on WinXP

Rub it in, rub it in *hands ggs some salt*

I hope those people with dreams of playing Halo2 on WinXP realize it is trivially easy for Microsoft/Bungie to use something like say; DirectX 10 which is not going to be backported to Windows XP and screw any chance of the game working on WinXP

yes, but something like that is just retarded, as it doesn't NEED it...it CAN and WILL run on less advanced technology..

yes, but something like that is just retarded, as it doesn't NEED it...it CAN and WILL run on less advanced technology..
Microsoft is making decision to release a produce based on marketting. Say it isnt so! :eek:

:rolleyes:

And untill more information is released we dont know what types of upgrades, if any, will be done to it.

Rub it in, rub it in *hands ggs some salt*
Takes salt and rubs it in :D

I hope those people with dreams of playing Halo2 on WinXP realize it is trivially easy for Microsoft/Bungie to use something like say; DirectX 10 which is not going to be backported to Windows XP and screw any chance of the game working on WinXP

I hope MS realise that it's trivially easy to fire up Emule or BitTorrent and download cracked versions of both Halo 2 and Windows Vista and screw any chance of them making a profit cause of this retarded idea :p

Just writing this because I happen to have a personal interest, and I noticed the argueing over it ;-)

I wrote a very small game just for my enjoyment (a 2-d space shooter top down type game, just to show how small it is). Now this may not be the best test case, since I'm not an extremely experienced coder, and my work may be a bit sloppy and hard to manage at times. However, I tried to make the game networkable, to get around the problem of cramming more than 3 people in front of one keyboard (I have a large family). After 3 people, the keyboard starts locking up.

Dern, if that wasn't almost impossible for me. I couldn't keep it all in my head, and just couldn't manage the project. Of course, bungie probably codes better, and has more programmer who are working on halo for a living, not as a hobby. but halo is more complex than my piddly game ;-) anyway, just thought I'd drop a line that things aren't so simple in the world of coding heh.

Just writing this because I happen to have a personal interest, and I noticed the argueing over it ;-)

I wrote a very small game just for my enjoyment (a 2-d space shooter top down type game, just to show how small it is). Now this may not be the best test case, since I'm not an extremely experienced coder, and my work may be a bit sloppy and hard to manage at times. However, I tried to make the game networkable, to get around the problem of cramming more than 3 people in front of one keyboard (I have a large family). After 3 people, the keyboard starts locking up.

Dern, if that wasn't almost impossible for me. I couldn't keep it all in my head, and just couldn't manage the project. Of course, bungie probably codes better, and has more programmer who are working on halo for a living, not as a hobby. but halo is more complex than my piddly game ;-) anyway, just thought I'd drop a line that things aren't so simple in the world of coding heh.

There are other companies that provides far better support for their FPS than Bungie has done with PC Halo, and theres nothing justifying the force use of Vista for Halo2...