Oblivion Specs released!

*runs into thread*
Save up and pay 280 pounds and get a 360!
*runs like hell*

But I would then need to buy a TV and a license so I could take it to Uni... which I cannot afford. The money that I will use for the graphics card is what I would otherwise spend on beer.

Plus, I wouldn't be able to get any of the inevitable mods on the 360.

JebuS!! I only meet two of the three recommended system specs. I think my comp is starting to feel its age.



EDIT: Wait, Ti series isn't listed in supported chipsets! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

I love having a new PC.

*Smug Glow*:D

I love having both. :drevil:

I don't have the time.:(

I need 1GB memory. (Because minumum requirements would run like crap, yet again.)

And I would need to stop using underclocked CPU on this thing, buee.

My PC will run it (yay!), but I'd prefer to see it at its best on 360.

I also prefer using a controller.

In the end I'll get it on both, on PC mainly for the mod-making tools.

Mine should be able to manage it. Though I'm thinking of getting a new graphics card when I finally get around to getting enough cooling stuff in my computer (I'm presently using a large desktop fan to cool my computer down when playing games).

Mine should be able to manage it. Though I'm thinking of getting a new graphics card when I finally get around to getting enough cooling stuff in my computer (I'm presently using a large desktop fan to cool my computer down when playing games).

Check out the Coolermaster Aquagate. It's a piss easy water cooling unit. Proper easy to set up, not 'I'm an obsessive nerd and consider this easy', but the kind of easy that relates to normal people. And it's enormously effective. I got one myself. My CPU was running hot beyond control, a giant fan and even bigger heatsink, high speed fans all over my case, it was completely absurd.

You might want to read up on it first but as a single opinion, I think it's the most utterly kick arse solution currently available for anyone who kicks the shite out their CPU and has trouble keeping their temp down, and doesn't want to play silly fuckers with their computer.

I'm not entirely sure of the price (paid for by last years birthday :D) but it's below a hundred quid, and it's a quieter setup you can stick with instead of buying all kinds of God damned fan and heatsink solutions like I did (which dicked me for just as much as didn't solve any problem whilst being noisy bastards themselves).

If you think I'm a corporate shill, I can take a photo of the thing in my computer with any message you like written on paper next to it, which will invariably end with 'you cheeky, mistrusting cunt'. :D

Check out the Coolermaster Aquagate. It's a piss easy water cooling unit. Proper easy to set up, not 'I'm an obsessive nerd and consider this easy', but the kind of easy that relates to normal people. And it's enormously effective.

How exactly does it work? Do you have to refill it? If so, how much?

My PC should run it fine, but i'm defiantly buying it on 360. Don't play games on PC unless it's absolutely neccesary.

I love having a new PC.

*Smug Glow*:D
Yup. I only recently would be able to play it. 1.5gb of RAM and an X850 XT.

Anyone know where the AMD 64 3200+ compares to the Intel chips? I know it is kind of wonky and that the actualy speed of the AMD processor is not reflective of its performance compared to an Intel or something like that.

How exactly does it work? Do you have to refill it? If so, how much?

Once it's filled up the first time it only loses liquid at an absurdly slow rate. The thing beeps at you like an irritating bastard when the level gets too low for its liking anyway, which has only happened to me something like once every six months. The bottle of liquid you get with it (it's not actual water) is enough to fill it up, and then has enough for what looks to be now, three top ups.

That's all you won't find out from any decent review or overview of the thing, which would be more detailed and coherent than someone like me.

My brother's PC is a bit above the minimum requirements, but I want to see how the game actually runs at that spec before I buy it.

That's all you won't find out from any decent review or overview of the thing, which would be more detailed and coherent than someone like me.

Okay, one more question. How expensive are refills then? Or do they not even sell them since they take so slowly to use up?

If you think I'm a corporate shill, I can take a photo of the thing in my computer with any message you like written on paper next to it, which will invariably end with 'you cheeky, mistrusting cunt'. :D
I thought that was your standard reply on SB? And I want that paper to say "I love Slaanesh!" so get to it! :D

I have thought about getting water cooling but I do move the comp sometimes for LAN parties and it would be a pain in the ass. How easy is it to remove without making a mess if I need to move the whole rig somewhere?

With enough cooling in it, I plan to overclock my machine. Not because I really need it that much, but because I can and I want to be a cocky bastard that way. :)

Okay, one more question. How expensive are refills then? Or do they not even sell them since they take so slowly to use up?

I hadn't actually bothered looking until now. The stuff in question is (after some searching), "Coolermaster SAG-K01 Thermal Conductivity Fluid". And it goes for about 13 quid or 22 dollars as far as I can see, in 500ml bottles. So you won't run out fast by any stretch of the imagination.

It's not actual water, it's anti-corrosion stuff. I wouldn't want to lob plain old water in a water cooling system, any water cooling system, sooner rather than later it'd be a rusted up, limescaled hunk of worthless junk.

Eh, well, luckily i'll be upgrading soon anyway.

Yup. I only recently would be able to play it. 1.5gb of RAM and an X850 XT.

Anyone know where the AMD 64 3200+ compares to the Intel chips? I know it is kind of wonky and that the actualy speed of the AMD processor is not reflective of its performance compared to an Intel or something like that.

And AMD 64 would be, low end, equal to a P4 3.2ghz. Technically speaking it's better, but it's good enough to run the game.

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=228458

I recommend checking that thread, if you're looking to see what kind of card you should upgrade to. Mind you, the threads move fast, but the official board with always have a thread like that.

I've only got a 6800xt, while that's not exactly top of the line, the ASUS model is cheap if you need an AGP card and it's got enough power to probably be able to handle the game quite well. Maybe not all the bells and whistles, but most of them. And it's easy to overclock. I can run FEAR on it with the settings all nice and high and get a good FPS out of it, so it's not a bad deal.

Of course, I've already pre-ordered the Collector's Edition of Oblivion. That coin is mine! :D

Thanks Seth. I knew I was a bit higher than the 2.0ghz it says it is.

And I have 1.5gb of RAM as it is and an X850 XT card, so I'm at the best my machine can handle in that regard. There are no better AGP cards (and if there are the difference is slight) and I have all three RAM slots filled (I'd have to diutch them for 1gb chips to reach my 2gb max).

I'll be good then, meeting th recommended for all of them.

I'm glad I didn't skimp much when I built my pc back in summer 04. Still has enough to run Oblivion if the specs are to be believed. Athlon 64 3000, 6800GT, and 1 GB RAM. Won't be able to pump up the details but should be quite playable.

jesus christ - thats some beefy specs you need :D

Looks like I'll be buying a 360 sooner than I'd hoped.

Damn... I'd buy myself a monster desktop, but I really need to save my cash for a new car.

My laptop will handle it, but only with the graphics cranked down and my fingers crossed. :p

Looks like I'll be buying a 360 sooner than I'd hoped.

With a 360, you lose the inevitable flood of mods though. Better to save your money and buy a computer, then later buy a 360 for Halo 3: Blood from a stone. :p

They could shitcan the entire Halo franchise for all I care. ;)

My laptop will handle it, but only with the graphics cranked down and my fingers crossed. :p

And you have the 9800 M18, right? I foolishly got mine with the 9700 M11. I wish Dell was still selling those C7070 upgrade kits... I have half a mind to call them and ask them about it.

With a 360, you lose the inevitable flood of mods though. Better to save your money and buy a computer, then later buy a 360 for Halo 3: Blood from a stone. :p

360 can handle mods.

The equivalent computer would cost you about nine times more, literally.

Best to get a 360 if you ask me, then shell out megabucks in a few years for a PC upgrade when it's absolutely necessary.

360 can handle mods.

"Can" handle mods? I "can" walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. Just not very well.

Point being that the 360 probably won't have the sheer number of mods that the PC version will have. They may surprise me, but I highly doubt it. Especially since the base 360 doesn't even have a hard drive.

Yeah but nobody cares about them anyway. :p

Plus I might add that with the core version, you simply have to buy the HD.

"Can" handle mods? I "can" walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. Just not very well.

Point being that the 360 probably won't have the sheer number of mods that the PC version will have. They may surprise me, but I highly doubt it. Especially since the base 360 doesn't even have a hard drive.

The base 360 ie. the "main" one comes with a 20GB hard drive. The reduced price core model doesn't.

And the 360 is compatible with PCs, I stream music from mine. It would be easy to transfer and PC mod over to the 360 wirelessly or through ethernet.

So the number of mods would be the same.

The base 360 ie. the "main" one comes with a 20GB hard drive. The reduced price core model doesn't.

Like I said, the base model doesn't. Kind of hard to mod for a game that may not even run off a hard drive, no?

And the 360 is compatible with PCs, I stream music from mine. It would be easy to transfer and PC mod over to the 360 wirelessly or through ethernet.

Which means you have to download it to a PC first and then hassle with cords or a wireless network to get it onto your 360. Also, I'd like to see your reasoning that a mod designed for the PC version of a game will work on the 360 version. It's not like we're talking about MP3s here, we're talking about two different versions of the same game.

Edit: To elaborate, oftentimes, mods won't work if you've patched your game (or, unless you've patched your game.) Since the PC version will be getting patches, while the 360 version will probably be getting a lot less, I'm not sure how you could keep your mod compatible between both versions.

I would like to point out that you could probably just download it off Live. Also you can use thumbdrives to transfer content to your 360.

You clearly have never had an XBox then. Updates are easier and faster then with a PC. If you plan on doing anything online they are also mandatory.

I would like to point out that you could probably just download it off Live.

I don't think you understand the scale we're talking about here. I've got over 3.6 gigs of Morrowind mods on my computer right now, and I've barely scratched the surface of modding goodness. If you think that microsoft will pick up all, or even most of the good mods for Oblivion on XBL, you should really rethink your position.

Also you can use thumbdrives to transfer content to your 360.

Okay. So you've still got to download it to a PC and then thumbdrive it over to the X-Box.

You clearly have never had an XBox then. Updates are easier and faster then with a PC. If you plan on doing anything online they are also mandatory.

No, I haven't. You however don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying. I doubt that Bethedsa will be releasing a universal 360/PC patch for both games. What's more likely is that they'll release a patch for one version and a patch for the other. What I'm wondering is how you'll make sure a mod is compatible with both 'versions.'

I don't think you understand the scale we're talking about here. I've got over 3.6 gigs of Morrowind mods on my computer right now, and I've barely scratched the surface. If you think that microsoft will pick up all, or even most of the good mods for XBL, you should really rethink your position.

Xbox 360 games autopatch, and depending on the sixe of your 360 hard drive, you could fit more than you already have onto it.

Okay. So you've still got to download it to a PC and then thumbdrive it over to the X-Box.

Or download to a thumbdrive directly. Which is no more hassle than downloading to a PC hard drive anyway. Does an extra 20 seconds of effort really matter? (that's a rhetorical question, the answer is no)


It's obvious, facehugger, that you have never owned an Xbox or an Xbox 360.

Xbox 360 games autopatch, and depending on the sixe of your 360 hard drive, you could fit more than you already have onto it.

Golar, I have a 200 gig hard drive. I could easily fit more mods on it. Now, the 'autopatching' doesn't affect what I'm saying. The 360 version and the PC version will be different versions, understand? The 360 autopatching will patch it to the 360 version. Not the PC version, because, surprise surprise, they're different versions! My point is how you're going to be able to ensure a mod is compatible between these two different versions?



Or download to a thumbdrive directly.

You need a PC to connect it to in order to download it.



It's obvious, facehugger, that you have never owned an Xbox or an Xbox 360.

Golar, I've never claimed to own an X-box of any kind. If you think I did, then you should immediately take remedial reading comprehension classes.

Golar, I have a 200 gig hard drive. I could easily fit more mods on it. Now, the 'autopatching' doesn't affect what I'm saying. The 360 version and the PC version will be different versions, understand? The 360 autopatching will patch it to the 360 version. Not the PC version, because, surprise surprise, they're different versions! My point is how you're going to be able to ensure a mod is compatible between these two different versions?

There is no way to know that yet, is your answer.


You need a PC to connect it to in order to download it.

Or Xbox Live, the download sector of which is now free.

Golar, I've never claimed to own an X-box of any kind. If you think I did, then you should immediately take remedial reading comprehension classes.

Well I was writing this whilst you posted the previous response in which you clear this up. But you're not in common ground here arguing about the Xbox when you have no knowledge of them.

There is no way to know that yet, is your answer.

Exactly. So you assuming that the 360 will have even a tithe of the mods that the PC version will have is wrong, until proven correct. Like I said. It's possible they may surprise me, but you shouldn't be the farm on it.



Or Xbox Live, the download sector of which is now free.

Assuming that MS picks up the mods on XBL.

Well I was writing this whilst you posted the previous response in which you clear this up. But you're not in common ground here arguing about the Xbox when you have no knowledge of them.

I have knowledge of games and mods. In this case, that is enough, since the X-box's autopatching abilities are quite irrelevant, unless they can figure out a way to make PC mods work on the 360 version of the game.

Something along the lines of Mods were already done in the past, with Far Cry: Instincts custom mapmaker.

Whilst I am not banking on the 360 version being mod-compatible, it really doesn't bother me at all anyway.

My main use for Morrowind was mod-making, but only once I'd completed it. So my solution will be to get the 360 version, play it with superior graphics and controls, and then once I've exhausted it, buy a PC that can run it for mod-making. By that time high-spec PCs will be much cheaper, and it'll save shitloads of money.

Unless you've already blown ?000 on a new PC, I see no real reason to want to buy the PC version.

Whilst I am not banking on the 360 version being mod-compatible, it really doesn't bother me at all anyway.

My main use for Morrowind was mod-making, but only once I'd completed it. So my solution will be to get the 360 version, play it with superior graphics and controls, and then once I've exhausted it, buy a PC that can run it for mod-making. By that time high-spec PCs will be much cheaper, and it'll save shitloads of money.

Unless you've already blown ?000 on a new PC, I see no real reason to want to buy the PC version.

Mods. Lots and lots of user made mods. The only mods the 360 version will be able to handle is the official ones you'll have to pay for.

Mods. Every single Oblivion thread turns into PC v 360, and it's always, always, ALWAYS centered around the mods.

Well, here's the bottom-motherfucking-line on the issue, gentlemen: Mods suck. I stuck with Morrowind's modding community for years and got nothing but promises of actual quality mods that never panned out. Sure, there were a handful that were pure gold, like the Better Faces mods, or the anti-Cliffracer mods, and such, but the vast majority that added actual content were so rare and so lost among the crap that was floating around out there that it was actually WORSE than if there had been no mods at all.

No, no... I've had enough with the shit that half-assed High School kids dash off while wishing they could land a girlfriend. I'd rather have the game completely locked, impossible to alter, than have to deal with that flood of useless bile.

EDIT:

And I'm focused pretty exclusively on Morrowind (and, presumably, Oblivion) mods. Because not every game had such a regularly shitty quality to their mods. Half-Life mods? Classic. Hell, even Quake 3 pulled off some awesome mods. But Morrowind.... well, it was designed so that ANYBODY could mod the game... so ANYBODY did! Instead of the only modders being the dedicated, diehard, "I really want to put real fucking effort into this thing", we got a rash of losers and nobodies dumping a bunch of wanktastic bullshit into the Construction Set and throwing it online, where all the Mod sites were far too happy to upload it so they could brag about the thousands of files they had.

And you have the 9800 M18, right? I foolishly got mine with the 9700 M11. I wish Dell was still selling those C7070 upgrade kits... I have half a mind to call them and ask them about it.

Sadly no, the best card they sold for the system when I bought it was a 9700 Pro with 128 video RAM. That's rather on the bottom rung for what this game looks like it'll need. And yes, I wish there was a workable way to upgrade the card. My gig of RAM will suffice, as will my 3.2 GHz processor... but the video's gonna kick my ass.

Unfortinatly, the nurfed the explorationary content in favor of making it more action oriented...

Unfortinatly, the nurfed the explorationary content in favor of making it more action oriented...

I think the gaming area is broadly similar to Morrowind, from what I heard.

Exactly. So you assuming that the 360 will have even a tithe of the mods that the PC version will have is wrong, until proven correct. Like I said. It's possible they may surprise me, but you shouldn't be the farm on it.

So what? Rather than trying to sift through the 37 million absolutely asstastic mods, the 360 players should just get the good ones.

I actually doubt the 360 will get mods, though. I can't see most console players being particularly interested.

I actually doubt the 360 will get mods, though. I can't see most console players being particularly interested.

I'm getting the 360 version because I don't care about the mods.

Unlike Morrowind, Oblivion is a beautiful game filled with beautiful characters. The only mods really worth downloading on the PC were the Better Bodies and Better Heads packs. All the others were just shite. And since Oblivion looks good already, we won't be needing the face and body packs to make the characters look acceptable.

I will, however, be getting the PC version eventually, so that I can make my own craptastic mods.

I'm getting the 360 version because I don't care about the mods.

Unlike Morrowind, Oblivion is a beautiful game filled with beautiful characters. The only mods really worth downloading on the PC were the Better Bodies and Better Heads packs. All the others were just shite. And since Oblivion looks good already, we won't be needing the face and body packs to make the characters look acceptable.

I will, however, be getting the PC version eventually, so that I can make my own craptastic mods.

That's the thing, I don't care about mods either. It's a complete non-issue to me.

That's the thing, I don't care about mods either. It's a complete non-issue to me.
I don't care either, but I can see where it does matter to some.

The big thing for me will actually be the interface. Most RPG's that were designed for the PC originally, have obnoxious controls on a console (I didn't care for Morrowind's controls on teh XBOX). Likewise, RPG's going the other way don't work that well either. Some games are just better with certain controls (FPS and RTS) but some are best where they were originally designed.

I won't tolerate a game that is touting 400+ of gameplay with crappy, annoying controls.

Given that, I'll probably wait until I have a 360 to even consider the game and then I'll rent it first. If contriols suck there, then they are probably better on the PC from my experience and I'll go there.

I don't care either, but I can see where it does matter to some.

The big thing for me will actually be the interface. Most RPG's that were designed for the PC originally, have obnoxious controls on a console (I didn't care for Morrowind's controls on teh XBOX). Likewise, RPG's going the other way don't work that well either. Some games are just better with certain controls (FPS and RTS) but some are best where they were originally designed.

I won't tolerate a game that is touting 400+ of gameplay with crappy, annoying controls.

Given that, I'll probably wait until I have a 360 to even consider the game and then I'll rent it first. If contriols suck there, then they are probably better on the PC from my experience and I'll go there.

Note that the 360 is fully compatible with keyboard and mouse.

Note that the 360 is fully compatible with keyboard and mouse.
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Touche!

Well, fuck that. I'll go with the 360 since I can sit in front of a bigger screen then on a more comfortable sofa!

Mods. Every single Oblivion thread turns into PC v 360, and it's always, always, ALWAYS centered around the mods.

Well, here's the bottom-motherfucking-line on the issue, gentlemen: Mods suck. I stuck with Morrowind's modding community for years and got nothing but promises of actual quality mods that never panned out. Sure, there were a handful that were pure gold, like the Better Faces mods, or the anti-Cliffracer mods, and such, but the vast majority that added actual content were so rare and so lost among the crap that was floating around out there that it was actually WORSE than if there had been no mods at all.


Bullshit. There's plenty of mods that are damned good. Morrowind Comes Alive, Children of Morrowind, the companion mods, every weapon and suit of armor that Vagabond Angel made, Better Clothes, Solstheim Castle, the armor replacers, the Visual packs, even little things like key and bottle replacers. Massive projects like Glory Road and Underground too.

Sure, there's bunches of crap, but it's not hard at all to find the quality mods. Hang around any Morrowind board that deals with mods for any length of time, and it's not hard to figure out what is the best. I could bounce right over to Planet Elder Scrolls right now and jump right back into the modding scene, no problem. I know, I just did it over the Christmas break from school.

As for the official mods being the best? All we've heard so far is horse armor and holiday celebrations. And never mind expansions, be interesting to see how the 360 handles that, but I'd wager the 360'll just be getting another bundled pack, like last time.

Initially, they'll be no difference between the versions, hell, the 360 version may very well be stabler at the start and probably run better. At least for awhile. And then the PC tech and the PC version will pull ahead, just like it did with Morrowind.

Some really high specs there... but it should be playable on my system.

I pre-ordered it (hope I won't regret it come March).

Henk G.

Dangit. Looks like an upgrade is in order, my humble 9600 pro and Athlon 2200+ meet the bare minimum.

I'd actually wager that with the minimum specs, the game will run better with the right settings than Morrowind does. Morrowind was basically not optimized at all and Oblivion has actually been done since December, the extra three months their taking is for optimization and slaying bugs and dumbing down the AI because it's too smart.

Worried about that last comment, don't be, without the right restrictions, the Radiant AI tends to do some crazy shit. I've heard one dev talking about a quest that had a skooma dealer you could talk to, except when he was testing it, when he reached the skooma dealer, the dealer was dead. What happened was a bunch of skooma junkies from the local skooma house ran out of skooma and so they left the building, tracked down the dealer, killed him, and took his skooma. Mind you, there's no scripting involved that with.

I've heard one dev talking about a quest that had a skooma dealer you could talk to, except when he was testing it, when he reached the skooma dealer, the dealer was dead. What happened was a bunch of skooma junkies from the local skooma house ran out of skooma and so they left the building, tracked down the dealer, killed him, and took his skooma. Mind you, there's no scripting involved that with.

ROFLMAO! That should be kept in the game, it's just too gold.

I'm happy, my comp meets all the recommended specs and I've had my copy of the game preordered since november. Can't wait for them to finally release it.

It looks a good-ish game. I'll probably buy it. But o 360, 'cos it's not worth spending hundreds of pounds on my PC just to play a game. I'm not that lame.


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Touche!

Well, fuck that. I'll go with the 360 since I can sit in front of a bigger screen then on a more comfortable sofa!

And this is why I play console games now.

Worried about that last comment, don't be, without the right restrictions, the Radiant AI tends to do some crazy shit. I've heard one dev talking about a quest that had a skooma dealer you could talk to, except when he was testing it, when he reached the skooma dealer, the dealer was dead. What happened was a bunch of skooma junkies from the local skooma house ran out of skooma and so they left the building, tracked down the dealer, killed him, and took his skooma. Mind you, there's no scripting involved that with.

The other example I can think of is when they were testing 'The Skull of Corruption' to make sure the physics worked properly with it. The guy dropped it, an NPC ran up, grabbed it and used it on the player. The result was an evil clone of the player running around killing people.:D

Is Oblivion being designed with Xbox360 hd in mind? What about the core systems that lack a hd? I think I read somewhere that Oblivion would use streaming technology so maybe that'll make the lack of a hd moot. I'd like to read the reviews before committing to the 360 version over the pc version.

I sincerely doubt you could run Oblivion without a Hard Drive.

The other example I can think of is when they were testing 'The Skull of Corruption' to make sure the physics worked properly with it. The guy dropped it, an NPC ran up, grabbed it and used it on the player. The result was an evil clone of the player running around killing people.:D
My favorite part of the E3 video was the shopkeeper trying to go to sleep and her dog barking at her for food or something. Her response was to throw a fireball, setting it on fire.

Well, this (http://www.oblivion.designamatic.com/Movies/OblivionUnofficialTeaser-Large.wmv) is an 'unofficial trailer' that uses large parts of the E3 demo. It has some jokes that you probably won't get if you havn't been following the developement, but is still pretty funny.

Is Oblivion being designed with Xbox360 hd in mind? What about the core systems that lack a hd? I think I read somewhere that Oblivion would use streaming technology so maybe that'll make the lack of a hd moot. I'd like to read the reviews before committing to the 360 version over the pc version.

Supposedly, NO 360 game is using the HD beyond storage yet.

The Final Fantasy Beta requires the HD.

The Final Fantasy Beta requires the HD.

True, but then again isn't really only used for storage for the client and such?

The Final Fantasy Beta requires the HD.

Yeah, and a lot of it too.

I hated that game... :rage:

The other example I can think of is when they were testing 'The Skull of Corruption' to make sure the physics worked properly with it. The guy dropped it, an NPC ran up, grabbed it and used it on the player. The result was an evil clone of the player running around killing people.:D

You know, the first mod I'll install for Oblivion is going to be one which lets you make the player char an AI NPC. :p

Just so I can play ProgressQuest-Oblivion Edition. :D

True, but then again isn't really only used for storage for the client and such?

No, you have to install it and then download shitloads of updates on PlayOnline's slug-slow servers. So it serves the same purpose as a PC hard-drive.

I'd actually wager that with the minimum specs, the game will run better with the right settings than Morrowind does. Morrowind was basically not optimized at all and Oblivion has actually been done since December, the extra three months their taking is for optimization and slaying bugs and dumbing down the AI because it's too smart.

Who'd think of that, a game developer with integrity to miss Christmas season in order to release a finished product. Another good reason to support Bethesda.

Btw, when upgrading my video card, should I go for the Geforce 6600 GT or Radeon X800 Pro? Recommendations?

Who'd think of that, a game developer with integrity to miss Christmas season in order to release a finished product. Another good reason to support Bethesda.

Btw, when upgrading my video card, should I go for the Geforce 6600 GT or Radeon X800 Pro? Recommendations?

Companies release games for Christmas to maximise sales. It doesn't matter with Oblivion, it looks set to be a flagship game for the 360 and PC users will eat their own testicles to get it. Christmas has no bearing on the matter, it'll sell like fucking hotcakes.

Btw, when upgrading my video card, should I go for the Geforce 6600 GT or Radeon X800 Pro? Recommendations?
Between those two the X800 is better, but if you can afford that an X1600 is cheaper and better still.

No, you have to install it and then download shitloads of updates on PlayOnline's slug-slow servers. So it serves the same purpose as a PC hard-drive.

Yeah, storage. It don't beleive it uses the HDD to help the game run any better, but I may be wrong.

Yeah, storage. It don't beleive it uses the HDD to help the game run any better, but I may be wrong.

It uses it for cache as well, during loading points. Which is the only other purpose for a HD anyway. Apart from Virtual Memory... but then the 360 has enough physical memory for there to be no need for that.

With a 360, you lose the inevitable flood of mods though. Better to save your money and buy a computer, then later buy a 360 for Halo 3: Blood from a stone. :p


Well, a new PC and an X-Box 360 are both on the List; the 360 just lets me play Oblivion at a proper setting alot earlier - a new graphics card would let my PC meet the minimum requiorments, but I'd rather have it in it's full glory.

Ideally, tho, I plan on keeping an eye on the merchant for a near-new second-hand one once I get the cash together. Pitty I missed the Christmas season; would've been the ideal time.

Between those two the X800 is better, but if you can afford that an X1600 is cheaper and better still.

Looks neat, thanks for the pointer!

Bullshit. There's plenty of mods that are damned good. Morrowind Comes Alive, Children of Morrowind, the companion mods, every weapon and suit of armor that Vagabond Angel made, Better Clothes, Solstheim Castle, the armor replacers, the Visual packs, even little things like key and bottle replacers. Massive projects like Glory Road and Underground too.

Sure, there's bunches of crap, but it's not hard at all to find the quality mods. Hang around any Morrowind board that deals with mods for any length of time, and it's not hard to figure out what is the best. I could bounce right over to Planet Elder Scrolls right now and jump right back into the modding scene, no problem. I know, I just did it over the Christmas break from school.

As for the official mods being the best? All we've heard so far is horse armor and holiday celebrations. And never mind expansions, be interesting to see how the 360 handles that, but I'd wager the 360'll just be getting another bundled pack, like last time.

Initially, they'll be no difference between the versions, hell, the 360 version may very well be stabler at the start and probably run better. At least for awhile. And then the PC tech and the PC version will pull ahead, just like it did with Morrowind.

Just about everything ever made by Grumpy (RIP) and Emma, the new Drug Lord and Farmer mods... ;)