what current denon player to upgrade to?

3930.

the rest wont cut it for you. 2900 was one of the best denons made.

2930 has issues

Thanks gandley

i know that this is a tough question but shelling out ?00 quids means it has to be asked.

Do you beleive that the diff in PQ/sound justifies the spend?

Dont ask me that, it is never justifyed:grin: ,

HQV does its thing and i really like the video the 3930 puts out via HDMI.

with HDMI there will be an upgrade for sure, enough to justify ?00? thats for you to decide. the 3930 is one of denons better players, and is much better than the 3910 as far as video goes.

this av stuff is bitter sweet

we are never happy are we:(

reading between the lines, i geuss you are saying that the 2900 is a VERY good machine and that the current 2930 wont be an upgrade, so i will have to go to the 3930:eek:

I might keep my money:rolleyes:

i figured that the connectivity of the newer machine would make a BIG difference

The difference I have found between good component, and good HDMI outputs is that the component is slightly softer, and the HDMI gives better detail, and sharpness. Colours are slightly different in quality, but I can't think of how to describe it.

I think if you have a large screen, such as a projector, then you will probably enjoy the difference. As gandley states, whether this is worth ?00 can only be decided by you.

T.

me thinks not

thanks again

only way to be sure is to do a demo at a local dealers.

3930.

the rest wont cut it for you. 2900 was one of the best denons made.

2930 has issues


Just read this post & as a 2930 owner, I'm a bit concerned as I'm very pleased with my 2930. Are the issues that were mentioned, generic or do they apply to just a few 2930's?

3930.

the rest wont cut it for you. 2900 was one of the best denons made.

2930 has issues


Hi Gandley,
I currently have a Pioneer 757 DVD player and am considering upgrading to either a Denon 2930 or 3930. I home demoed the 2930 over the weekend and found the picture quite amazing (at least compared tot he 757) but the stereo sound was disappointing: the high-end was too harsh on my system.

Do you know if the stereo sound on the 3930 is different and, if so, in what respects? Unfortunately, I cannot demo the 3930 here as no dealer has it.

The 2930 I demoed was connected to my receiver via stereo cables. I did not think of trying the stereo sound through the coaxial output to use the receiver's DACs... Do you have any idea if it would have made a difference?

Many Thanks!
Iason

Anybody have issue with DENON AND BURNT DVD'S (DVD-R verbatim example)???

I have a Denon 2930 and haven't had any problems with playing burned DVD-R's. Infact it plays them flawlessly with superb picture quality! :) I've used Verbatims, Panasonic and Datawrite.

One question I have. Is there a problem playing DivX on DVD-R's?? I tried to do this with the Denon and got a message something like 'This disc cannot be played on this player'. Does the Denon only support CD-R DivX?

Thanks

G

Hi Gandley,
I currently have a Pioneer 757 DVD player and am considering upgrading to either a Denon 2930 or 3930. I home demoed the 2930 over the weekend and found the picture quite amazing (at least compared tot he 757) but the stereo sound was disappointing: the high-end was too harsh on my system.

Do you know if the stereo sound on the 3930 is different and, if so, in what respects? Unfortunately, I cannot demo the 3930 here as no dealer has it.

The 2930 I demoed was connected to my receiver via stereo cables. I did not think of trying the stereo sound through the coaxial output to use the receiver's DACs... Do you have any idea if it would have made a difference?

Many Thanks!
Iason

If i am right then the 2930 problems i noticed have been corrected via firmware (though not sure about the chroma issues).

As for sound you will need to check if the 2930 has the same DACs as the 3930 if you connecting via analog (you said stereo cables, not sure if you mean connecting via the multi channel out or if you mean just the red and white stereo cables? if the latter then going via coax or toslink with hopefully give a better sound and enable surround sound use via your amp/receiver.

using the multi channel analog connection from the dvd player to your amp/reciever will make use of the dvd players DACs for surround use and multi channel audio. (you will need 6 RCA cables for this type of connection if your reciever has it).

the dacs in the 3930 are said to be very good, and when i heard it it was quite a nice sound, though certainly not the best but at its price very good.
you will need to find out if the DACS in your amp are better than the dvd players to be sure and after a quick check at Denon UK the 2930 and 3930 do indeed have different DACS for analog out.

Anybody have issue with DENON AND BURNT DVD'S (DVD-R verbatim example)???

Make sure you have the most up-to-date firmware installed. The Denon units have always been a bit fussy with blank media. but normaly later firmware versions help with these issues.

Make sure you have the most up-to-date firmware installed. The Denon units have always been a bit fussy with blank media. but normaly later firmware versions help with these issues.

Thank you :)

If i am right then the 2930 problems i noticed have been corrected via firmware (though not sure about the chroma issues).

As for sound you will need to check if the 2930 has the same DACs as the 3930 if you connecting via analog (you said stereo cables, not sure if you mean connecting via the multi channel out or if you mean just the red and white stereo cables? if the latter then going via coax or toslink with hopefully give a better sound and enable surround sound use via your amp/receiver.

using the multi channel analog connection from the dvd player to your amp/reciever will make use of the dvd players DACs for surround use and multi channel audio. (you will need 6 RCA cables for this type of connection if your reciever has it).

the dacs in the 3930 are said to be very good, and when i heard it it was quite a nice sound, though certainly not the best but at its price very good.
you will need to find out if the DACS in your amp are better than the dvd players to be sure and after a quick check at Denon UK the 2930 and 3930 do indeed have different DACS for analog out.



Thanks for your reply!
My receiver (Arcam AVR300) has the Wolfson 24/192 DACs. Do you know if these are superior to the 2930's and/or 3930's DACs?

For both CD and movie playback, the audio goes via digital coaxial cable to the Arcam.

I think the Arcam will be the better option, as the DACS are just one part of the chain. Arcam build there stuff to sound great. But without being able to compare for myself i cant give you a definate answer.

I think the Arcam will be the better option, as the DACS are just one part of the chain. Arcam build there stuff to sound great. But without being able to compare for myself i cant give you a definate answer.


...Makes sense.
So if I were to use the Arcam's DACs then it would not matter (sound quality wise) which DVD player I use to listen to CDs, right? Or am I mistaken here?

Have you compared the Pioneer 989 with either Denon for picture quality? If so, which one, in your opinion, would give me the best bang-for-buck solution as an upgrade to my Pioneer 757 (I use a projector with a 110-inch image size)? I realise that this is subjective but it is impossible for me to demo the Pioneer 989 or the Denon 3930. I can only find the 2930.

i owned the 989 and it was a fine dvd player but it took quite a bit of tweaking to get the picture where i was happy with it. which was fine but the Denon 3930 will exceed the quality of the 989 quite happily. 3930 is a fair bit better i think in terms of picture quality, 3930 also has no layer change which the 989 still suffers from and is a downside for me these days. I would tend to pass on the 989 now the 3930 is here and depending where you look around £800.

As for the sound thru the Arcam, expect there would be no audible difference between the two Denons if your letting the Arcam do the work. Video wise the 3930 has the edge as to me it looked a bit sharper, but unless you have them side by side i doubt one would notice.

I would also consider Hi Def dvd from either format (more so Blu ray IMHO) as these will easily blow the Denon or any other SD player out of the water in terms of raw PQ quality (unless its a ropey transfer). worth thinking about anyway

i owned the 989 and it was a fine dvd player but it took quite a bit of tweaking to get the picture where i was happy with it. which was fine but the Denon 3930 will exceed the quality of the 989 quite happily. 3930 is a fair bit better i think in terms of picture quality, 3930 also has no layer change which the 989 still suffers from and is a downside for me these days. I would tend to pass on the 989 now the 3930 is here and depending where you look around ?00.

As for the sound thru the Arcam, expect there would be no audible difference between the two Denons if your letting the Arcam do the work. Video wise the 3930 has the edge as to me it looked a bit sharper, but unless you have them side by side i doubt one would notice.

I would also consider Hi Def dvd from either format (more so Blu ray IMHO) as these will easily blow the Denon or any other SD player out of the water in terms of raw PQ quality (unless its a ropey transfer). worth thinking about anyway


Thanks for the advice. It has helped put things into perspective. Regarding the HiDef DVD player, do you mean that it would blow the Denon out of the water even with SD material?

I have not considered HiDef players as I have about 500 SD DVD films and I woulk like to wait and see how the HD-DVD/Blue-Ray format war develops. But then again it depends: if I can get a HiDef player for a reasonable price, I might consider it.

Thanks again! :)